The nazis and the ocult.

indianaj

New Member
I was wondering is there any hard evidence that The Third Reich practiced occult rituals or is the association due to the fact that they were trying to create the master race and this brought with it the sticker that they were dabbling in the occult.
 

DLegend

Member
There are several documentaries on this subject. I believe that the Third Reich did try to create a master race and applied some occult practices. The castle of Hitler itself is a real evidence that the Nazis are following some kind of occult rituals.
 

Chintai

Member
I don't know very much about this (fascinating) subject. I have heard people link Nazism to Freemasons, which I think is unfair. I also read that Hitler used occult references as a code to deceive others outside the regime, basically to make himself sound unbalanced.
 

RLynn

Active Member
There seems to be no hard evidence of any sort of official use of occultism in Nazism. Hitler once declared Germany to be a Christian nation, and he was distrustful of Freemasonry and secret societies in general. Of course, some distorted version of Asatru or Odinism may well have contributed to the racist doctrine of Nazism, and some of the Nazi leaders were probably involved in occult activities.

It seems that a great deal of literature on this subject is heavily biased. People who hate Freemasonry or the occult tend to associate these things with Nazism. Those who embrace the occult usually bend over backwards to dissociate it from the Third Reich. It's frustrating to try to get at the objective truth.
 

indianaj

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The nazis seemed to blend a lot of things into there doctrine with the swastika being taken from the Hindu religion if I'm not mistaken and the howl thing about a master Aryan race sounds a little, well not christian...
 

RLynn

Active Member
You better not tell some fundamentalist Christians that Jesus was Jewish. Isn't he usually depicted with blond hair and blue eyes?

Anyhow, I certainly agree that there wasn't anything very Christian about the Third Reich. Yes, the swastika is an ancient symbol common to several cultures, including at least one of the Native American tribes, maybe Hopi or Navaho, I forget.
 

Rhonda Tharp

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I find it interesting that the Swastica is also found on this 1872 image of Thor http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Thor.jpg (link because it is an extreamly high res image) and it is claimed that Hitler may have had something to do with a distorted version of Odinism.

(the Swastica is on Thor's Belt)
I had heard Hitler got it from Hinduism and the Vedas.

The swastika





Although this symbol has a negative connotation in some parts of the world because of Nazi Germany, the swastika is actually a sign of luck and fortune. This variation of the cross has been present in ancient Hinduism and is used to represent honesty, truth, purity and stability. Its four angles or points also symbolize the four directions, or Vedas​
 

RLynn

Active Member
Here is an old Arizona route marker. The swastika on the arrowhead is a reference to the Hopi and Navajo cultures.
 

DLegend

Member
Now I can see why people would conclude that the Nazis followed occult practices because of the different symbolism they used. Still, occult practices or not, what the Nazis had done is really distasteful and inhumane.
 

Wotan

Member
"honesty, truth, purity and stability" I guess he used it for the "purity'. Kind of ironic that a complete nutter used a flag that included "stability" ... isn't truth and honesty the same thing?
 

Rhonda Tharp

Active Member
"honesty, truth, purity and stability" I guess he used it for the "purity'. Kind of ironic that a complete nutter used a flag that included "stability" ... isn't truth and honesty the same thing?
Yeah, I thought that too. I thought it was missing something like loyalty or duty.
 

Libros

Member
There is an excellent scholarly work on this subject, The Master Plan: Himmler's Scholars and the Holocaust by Heather Pringle. It's one of my favourite books on WWII.

Hitler employed Heinrich Himmler to rewrite ancient German history to make his master racial ideology more favourable to the general public. Himmler was a fan of archaeology and mysticism, and created a historical organization called Ahnenerbe, whose job was to lead teams around the world from Europe to Asia in an effort to discover archaeological "evidence" that could be tweaked to create the history of the Hitler's "Aryan" master race. Himmler used ancient texts from Roman and Indian tradition to craft this idea of an Indo-European race of conquerors who settled in Germany's ancient territories, and from whom "true" Germans would be "descended."

In this book you learn about the lengths the teams went to procure these arefacts, vandalizing cultural heritage sites in Finland, Poland, and Germany to take pieces of monuments back to German museums for the historians to analyze. The symbolism behind the swastika and other SS emblems are explored when Himmler looked into Germanic and Indian mythology for support from the warrior cultures of Northern Europe and Asia. The occult mysticism that sprang from this relentless perversion and distortion of world history and myth is regrettably continued today with white supremacist movements such as the Odinists, who believe that only white people are capable of understanding and honouring the Germanic gods.

Himmler's tactics highlight how incredibly brilliant and how incredibly dangerous he was, in my mind equally if not more dangerous than Hitler was as a politician. He successfully convinced German citizens that their history and pride was rooted in a completely fictional idea, and led anyone who did not physically conform to this to their deaths in concentration camps.

It's a fantastic read and was a real eye-opener for me. An excellent reminder of how we must be careful to document history accurately lest it be reinterpreted for malicious intent.
 

Quentin Woolery

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I know that such atrocities were committed at some of the "death camps" by the Nazis that they have no equal. Some of the experiments of Dr. Mengele were the most appalling and horrific that have ever been seen. He loved to experiment on people and thought that the Jewish people were so low on the human scale that it didn't matter. He did some especially horrific things to twins. Just these things alone may have made people think that they were linked to the occult.
 

RLynn

Active Member
Why should Nazis be linked to the occult just because they did horrible things to people? The occult is not simply a cesspool of evil. There are good as well as bad people involved in the occult, just as there are good and bad Christians, good and bad Americans, good cand bad Muslims, etc.
 

blarneyrubble

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I've heard various rumours about how Hitler was consulting an astrologist by the end of the war and how the SS was founded around the occult but this may have been people trying to rationalise what happened at that time. Speaking of the Swastika, the Nazis actually reversed it for their purposes when compared to the original use.
 

Ronnie

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Hitler himself was warped in a serious way. The things he condoned in the name of "purity" were things that thinking people should never have gone along with. I personally believe he embrace everything evil in his nature and in the nature of his followers. Not everything in this world is evil, but if you choose to embrace the evil, you will find more than enough.
 

LegendofJoe

Active Member
If you look carefully at the SS that was used for his elite soldiers, you will see that they resemble the rune for the sun (Sowilo).
Hitler was proud of anything that was uniquely German, occult or otherwise, and he would incorporate it into his empire building machine.
 

RLynn

Active Member
I certainly think that the National Socialists used occultism to justify their fiendish agenda, just as the Inquisition used Christianity to justify their persecution of so-called heretics (who threatened the Vatican's authority). What is scary is that the Nazi phenomenon was not so very long ago, and a similar mindset seems to be arising even today.
 
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